Curse

Cow Tale · Nov 06, 2006, 01:09 PM // 13:09

/signed to have everything in game given out for free! that would be so awesome! i qwouldnt even have to play the game! id just load up a character and show my friends and theyd think i was so cool! it would be like downloading a trainer for diablo 2 and loading all that awesome gear straight onto your character! i wonder why anet hasnt thought of this yet!?they could also add a feature where u dont have to level, u start at 20 in PvE. also maybe add a feature where all missions are completed with masters/bonus and all quests are done for you?
/sarcasm off

Psyks · Nov 06, 2006, 02:04 PM // 14:04

/not signed

Prophecies gave you little cash but instead skills for doing quests.

The devs want to stop farming, how? By making it easier to make money by doing quests.

So if they brought back the skills in quests they would have to half the money you receive as a reward.

If you stick to a tried and trusted build you shouldn't have to spend that much cash on a skill trainer, if you want more skills for PvE then you might as well just spend Balthazar points.

Lyphen · Nov 06, 2006, 02:08 PM // 14:08

What I'd like to see is unlocked skills costing 100 gold across all characters, so I can feel like I'm accomplishing something. Because I don't make PvP characters, which is all the unlocks are good for.

FalconDance · Nov 06, 2006, 02:19 PM // 14:19

I can't believe people are whining about this AGAIN. (There were threads on this when Factions came out)

It's not as if you start out having to buy every single skill at 1K -- they start at 50g and increase from there to a maximum of 1K. This enables you to 'learn' only the skills you will use or want to try.

Geesh.

Lyphen · Nov 06, 2006, 02:23 PM // 14:23

Well, now I'm also learning skills for 3 other heroes, so yes, it does get annoying and quite steep.

FalconDance · Nov 06, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

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Originally Posted by Lyphen

Well, now I'm also learning skills for 3 other heroes, so yes, it does get annoying and quite steep.

Well, I guess I'm just lucky then because I have many, many skills unlocked/usable for the heros (already in their roster) since I've played the core professions through to the end of Prophecies and mostly through Factions. There are a few I plan to get eventually, but not so many for the heros that it'll bankrupt me.

SpeedyKQ · Nov 06, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30

If you're just buying the skills you want for playing the game, you aren't going to buy that many, even if you like to experiment with builds. The trainer cost isn't a burden.

If you are taking on UAX as a personal challenge, then fine, enjoy yourself, but don't complain if it actually is a challenge.

Orbberius · Nov 06, 2006, 02:49 PM // 14:49

I want the goddamn skills quests back. Made UAXing a whole lot quicker - skip everything else, just do the skills quests and the required missions. You could get 100+ skills for free by the time you finished the desert. In Prophecies this takes like ~15 hours per character if you just get cheap runs through most of the game.

The doubling of the Balthazar Faction still doesn't make unlocking through PvP quick enough. The Hero points are a quite simply a joke, as are the quest gold rewards. Playing my paragon character normally for 20 hours now, without spending any money on weapons or armor (he's still in starter armor, well into the mainland), picking up everything, maximizing the money I can make, getting masters of 7 of 7 missions, and doing as many quests as I can endure, I only have 15k gold, enough for maybe 30 skills (because they're cheap at the beginning), so whoever said that just going out into an outpost and fighting gives you 7k is talking out of his ass.

BRING BACK THE SKILLS QUESTS ANET

Jetdoc · Nov 06, 2006, 03:01 PM // 15:01

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Originally Posted by SpeedyKQ

If you're just buying the skills you want for playing the game, you aren't going to buy that many, even if you like to experiment with builds. The trainer cost isn't a burden.

Very well put.

All that is needed is research ahead of time. You can conceptually figure out experimental builds before you log on - you don't need the skills in your bar to do so.

Jetdoc · Nov 06, 2006, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by Orbberius

BRING BACK THE SKILLS QUESTS ANET

I definitely miss the skill quests - it made using those skills a "boon" as you progressed through PvE.

But that seems to have gone by the wayside in Factions and Nightfall, with the "get to level 20, get perfect armor and get all skills within 2-3 hours of playing" mentality.

Some people like it, but there are many like me that don't.

SpeedyKQ · Nov 06, 2006, 03:13 PM // 15:13

I have to say that when it comes to getting skills, Nightfall is the worst of both worlds.

I enjoyed Factions more than either of the other two games (blasphemy?) because I could play the skillbar I designed through the entire game. This makes me, as a player, incredibly happy.

In Prophecies, you had to wait forever to start playing the build you want, but at least you can get most skills from quests.

In Nightfall, you don't get any skills from quests, but you still have to wait for the game to be half over before you can access some skills. Insult to injury. It would have been better if, as in Factions, each new skill trainer on the newbie island had more skills, and all skills were available once you hit the mainland.

GranDeWun · Nov 06, 2006, 03:28 PM // 15:28

So far each chapter has introduced new classes AND new skills for existing classes. AND, I have more characters from those chapters to get skills for...

Where does this madness end?

ValaOfTheFens · Nov 06, 2006, 03:39 PM // 15:39

I'd be happy to have skill quests for a few basic skills from every expansion. I didn't know what I was doing when I started buying skills and now I have to pay 1k just for something that may be of no help whatsoever. Also, I'd like ANet to fix what skills are given out in later quests in Prophesies. 90% of the time I already had the skills from the quests in Kryta.

Crotalus · Nov 06, 2006, 03:44 PM // 15:44

This topic made me happy in my decision to not purchase Nightfall. It seems all the same old problem are still in the game from both Prophecies and Factions.

logan90 · Nov 06, 2006, 03:52 PM // 15:52

/signed

I agree that 1k isnt much, but the amount really builds up over time if you use multiple builds for your character. I think they should bring back skill quests to give about 1/4 or 1/2 the skills offered by that campaign, and allow even foreign chars to do them. It used to be fun doing those quests. You got an actual reward for them. But now its only 100-250g it feels pointless. And maybe they should make cap sigs half price again. Before they added the cap they cost half the price of a normal skill.

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Originally Posted by Psyks

/not signed

Prophecies gave you little cash but instead skills for doing quests.

The devs want to stop farming, how? By making it easier to make money by doing quests.

So if they brought back the skills in quests they would have to half the money you receive as a reward.

If you stick to a tried and trusted build you shouldn't have to spend that much cash on a skill trainer, if you want more skills for PvE then you might as well just spend Balthazar points.

So instead of giving you 1-2k worth of skills plus about 50g, they give us 250g instead and thats supposed to make it easier to make money? That 250g would then just go to paying for 1/4 of one of those skill rewards that the quest should have had. In the end it works out to be 800g-1.8k less money. I would rather recieve skills that would have cost me 2k instead of the useless 250g.

Stoneys Rock · Nov 06, 2006, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by Amity and Truth

I won't.
Simply because i've experienced otherwise. Completing the NF Storyline and doing a few quests here and there netted me 20 Plat. Going back and doing masters for every quest got me another 12 Plat. Going out and exploring a bit as well as do the remaining quests got me 40 Plat.
Just normal playing, enjoying the game and doing whatever i felt like. The problem is that for some reason people refuse to play the game. You don't even have to farm you know? Just play the game normally and you've got more money than you ever need. 1 Plat is not much, it's nothing if you can get a manifold of that by just playing the game.
You don't need the best equipment right away, back in the prophecies days i was driving with a 53 AL Armor until the Ring of Fire and it was allright. And if you need a skill, well just go out, explore a bit, enjoy the game. And all of a sudden you've got enough money to buy 10 skills. No farming included.

/agree

seriously 1k a skill may seem steep but it could be alot worse, hero skills help and their free. and you know you don't need best equipment to finish the game in cantha my monk had his shing jea sandals and cap and the rest of the armor was collectors. My necromancer got to hells and passed without max armor as well. Seriously if you don't want to spend on the armor and have more for skills collectors is the way to go.

Playing the game gives you enough money period and you know what if you need skills fast....does baltazar faction mean anything to you? I was in the sunspear arena after the increase faction gained from wins etc and I flew past 3000 after only a few short matches.

Mercury Angel · Nov 06, 2006, 04:03 PM // 16:03

I honestly think that completion of ascension (or its equivalent) should unlock access to all skills unlocked on your account. Variety/flexibility is what makes me love PvP, and causes me to stay away from PvE as soon as I finish chars from the chapter.

As it is, I have to live vigorously through my heroes, which have even better than that (all skills you have unlocked from the get-go).

I can't begin to tell you how heart-wrenching it is to have to choose between solid skills I KNOW are good, but I've already unlocked on my account, and skills that lack the (unlocked) bracket at the end.

Jetdoc · Nov 06, 2006, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by Mercury Angel

As it is, I have to live vigorously through my heroes, which have even better than that (all skills you have unlocked from the get-go).

I think you've mixed up Live Vicariously and Vigorous Spirit...

Ebony Shadowheart · Nov 06, 2006, 04:11 PM // 16:11

My goal is to play through every campaign with EVERY one of my characters and to purchase EVERY skill in the game for EVERY character. Considering the number of characters I have, I'm not complaining about skill costs....so why are you? I don't even want to do the math for the amount of gold this will require! Not to mention the gold required for armor, dye, and weapons!

1k may seem like a lot at times, but just keep pluggin away and you'll have gold in no time. I'm sure it could be worse!

Imaginos · Nov 06, 2006, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Amity and Truth

And you can?
Quests now give you money and Tradeitems as well. Instead of giving you a skill you might not want they give you the money to buy the skill you need. Besides going out of the outpost and killing things, even with a full team, nets you so many plats that you can easily buy 6 or 7 skills. I don't see a problem there.

Now if skills were 10 plat... i'd agree but they're a laughable 1 plat. 1 Plat is nothing.

Quests give a pathetic amount of money for rewards. Perhaps if the reward was of a decent sum then things would be balanced out. Currently they are not.